Episode 241: Leadership and Being Human-to-Human Connected with Meg Wheatley

Episode 241: Leadership and Being Human-to-Human Connected with Meg Wheatley

In today’s insightful episode, we explore the core of perseverance and human-to-human connection with the esteemed Dr. Margaret (Meg) Wheatley, a distinguished author and leadership expert. With decades of experience and wisdom, Margaret shares profound insights into the challenges and opportunities of leadership in today's dynamic world. As the author of "Perseverance" and the upcoming book “Restoring Sanity," she provides practical strategies and empowering practices to help leaders navigate complexity and nurture resilience.


Margaret Wheatley is a globally recognized writer, speaker, and thought leader in the realm of leadership and organizational change. Rooted in systems thinking and dedicated to exploring new paradigms, Margaret has authored influential books such as "Leadership and the New Science" and "Perseverance." As a trailblazer, she has committed her career to inspiring leaders to embrace resilience, compassion, and a deeper understanding of the human spirit.


Join us as we explore the significance of community, the power of self-awareness, and the role of Warriors for the Human Spirit in preserving the essence of humanity amidst societal challenges.


In this episode, you’ll hear:  

04:12 - Introduction of Dr. Margaret Wheatley, highlighting her background and global work. 

05:44 - The first question delves into the synergies between Tracy and Michelle’s work and Meg’s focus on healthy relationships and dialogue.  

6:28 – Meg’s emphasizes the primacy of relationships, drawing on scientific and personal perspectives. 

08:35 - Discussing the challenges in today's relationships, Meg touches on the impact of fear on human interactions and the need to become conscious and grounded. 

09:28 - Relationships are terrifying due to instinctual threat response, leading to fearful behavior and separation. 

11:44 - Meg emphasizes the theme of her work: "relationships are all there is," urging the importance of being conscious and fully human. 

12:28 - The value of consciousness and relationship-building in addressing polarization. 

15:32 - The significance of settling people down before engaging in dialogue, citing research on food's impact on brain function and decision-making. 

16:28 - The conversation shifts to Polarity Intelligence™, exploring the challenges of fear, polarization, and the value of curiosity in embracing differences. 

18:01 - Highlights the importance of in-person meetings with food, citing the value of connection and trust that comes with being in the same physical space. 

19:51 - Meg addresses the notion of healthy relationships, emphasizing the need for intention, attention, and time. 

20:56 - The importance of intention in creating healthy relationships, citing their own experience using Zoom for deep exploration and satisfying relationships. 

23:51 - The discussion on intention as the first principle for healthy relationships and dialogue, emphasizing the importance of conscious choice and commitment. 

27:10 - Meg and the hosts delve into the interplay of inner and outer work in personal and professional development. 

30:03 - Insights into attracting others through calmness and ease, emphasizing the development of qualities that draw people in. 

31:51 - Discussion on practices for leaders to see more clearly and act more wisely. 

33:50 - Overview of practices from Wheatley's upcoming book, "Restoring Sanity." 

39:33 - Addressing triggers and the commitment to being effective in various situations. 

44:30 - Meaning and role of Warriors for the Human Spirit in the current societal context. 

51:58 - The significance of feminine energy in leadership and the role of women in warriorship. 

56:16 - Reflections on Wheatley's book, "Perseverance." 

57:18 – Meg’s perspective on perseverance and its connection to risk and growth. 

59:21 - Pivotal moments in Meg’s journey, particularly during her dissertation.


Lead with resilience, forge connections, and continue the pursuit of wisdom in your leadership endeavors. Dive into the discussion here or catch it here to watch on the MissingLogic LLC YouTube channel to find out why.



Best Way to Reach Meg Wheatley:

Website: https://margaretwheatley.com/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/berkana-institute/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/berkana_institute

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TheBerkanaInstiute



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